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Everything we've done in this investigation has led us to this point.

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This is the Holy Grail of interviews.

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Something is happening on our very own planet, right in front of our eyes, that we can't explain.

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In a search for answers, we've been using powerful link analysis software to track patterns among unidentified phenomena within our skies.

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This is huge, he's never talked to anyone before.

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Millions of search results and thousands of pieces of evidence from across the globe have led us to this point.

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They're picking up some type of sound underneath the ocean that doesn't belong, but the Navy themselves don't know what they are.

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And confirmed that something out of the realm of our understanding is here.

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Strange objects lurking in the ocean that cannot be explained, able to move at gigantic speeds.

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We're going to find out what it is.

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With the amount of evidence we have and the patterns we're seeing, it feels like we're on the edge of a breakthrough.

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This is much bigger than we ever thought it was.

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This is insane.

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A UFO incident took place back in the late 70s, where get this, humans are the target.

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CIA veteran Mike Cole and conflict analyst Dr. Livingston sent a team to Brazil to investigate reports of unidentified flying objects attacking humans.

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Eye witnesses on the ground claim UFOs attacked and injured residents of the island of Colars for more than six months.

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The victim says that there were multiple witnesses, most of which were treated by a doctor.

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And it looks like that would be the best way to verify accounts.

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They're currently tracking her down.

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What could come from a doctor is scientific analysis of the events and possibly physical evidence.

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They also say there's a stranger incident where the military shows up, takes over the whole island to gather data in this operation plate.

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This does seem really strange.

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During the four months of what became known as Operation Plate, the Brazilian military took over Colars, set up surveillance posts across the island and investigated the victim's accounts.

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The military claimed the operation was inconclusive and promptly classified all related files.

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What they're saying in the email is correct. What is going on here?

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I don't know if there's a terrestrial or extraterrestrial explanation for what happened, but the military presence on Colars confirms that something happened.

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Logically, the next best step is to look at that military intervention. What was Operation Plate?

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It's coming up on screen.

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Not much, just three files. Why don't we start with the bulletin board?

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So here are people discussing the operation. I heard the Brazilian government released some of these files.

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My understanding is that some of the Brazilian files have been declassified.

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Okay, so there could be some documents floating around.

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Robert Bigelow bought and owns all of the files of this incident from the Brazilian government.

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We know that name. We've come across that before.

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Bigelow, he was the sole contractor to the ATIP program.

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ATIP is the US government's recently declassified advanced aerospace threat identification program.

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Its sole mission was to investigate UFOs.

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My gosh! Oh, I think it is.

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And its declassification in 2017 sparked international headlines as it confirmed that the United States acknowledges and cannot explain the source of UFO activity.

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Billionaire Robert Bigelow was an architect of this top secret program.

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His company, Bigelow Aerospace, developed space habitats for private and government use,

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and he privately funds research at sites of high UFO activity.

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This is the prime contractor involved in the US Air Forces program to study unexplained aerial phenomena.

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And he is interested enough in Operation Plate to purchase all of the files from the Brazilian government that cannot be a coincidence.

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Why is Robert Bigelow, a contractor to NASA, and the sole contractor to ATIP,

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going through the bureaucratic hurdles and spending his own money to acquire the highly classified Calaris files?

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Let's reach out to all of our contacts in Brazil and South America and see if we can get our hands on these documents.

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If Bigelow can get these files, so can we.

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This is a sensational event.

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As the team waits to hear if they'll get access to the Operation Plate documents,

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Nick and Paul are on the ground in Brazil to meet with Dr. Valada Carvallo,

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the local physician at the time of the alleged UFO attack on humans in 1977.

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Hi, Dr. Valada.

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Hello.

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The fact that we're speaking to a doctor, somebody rational, someone who has an evidence-based procedure for trying to get to the truth,

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that's key to us.

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If anyone's going to know what really happened to these people, it's her.

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We've heard stories from Calaris and we understand that you were there.

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Can you tell us what was happening to these people?

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The story was exactly the same.

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An unidentified flying object released beams of light and attacked people in their houses.

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The beam would come through like cracks on the wall, on the ceiling.

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They saw the light coming towards them and they would paralyze them.

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They weren't able to react or to cry for help.

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What kinds of symptoms were they exuding?

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They were all really weak with burns on the chest and also two puncture marks on the neck, parallel to each other.

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The people in Calaris had two puncture wounds just like the animals back in the US, just like the animals in Perawebe.

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This seems to be beyond coincidence now.

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I have to ask, in your professional opinion, is there any possibility that all of this was some kind of mass hysteria or mass delusion?

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She was absolutely skeptical until she saw the things herself.

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Are you referring to the wounds or did you actually see the light?

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The UFOs. She saw the UFOs.

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The ship was shaped like a plate and would release the beams of light at people.

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What were they doing up there?

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It was clear to her that they were there to record, to research, to document and then to cover up.

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And sometimes she would try to follow the military on their research and they wouldn't let her.

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She ended up being transferred as a punishment because she was talking about the story.

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They ever give you any explanation for what was going on?

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No, no. They didn't want to disclose any of the information to the population.

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We have a military sending in at least a platoon of soldiers to investigate these objects.

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In my opinion, something very bad happened on the island of Chloris.

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It's imperative that we acquire these Operation Plate documents and see what they'll tell us about what happened here.

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The team is joined by one of Nick's local contacts who secured a meeting with a former government official

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claiming to have one of the only remaining copies of the Operation Plate documents.

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He's agreed to turn over his files on the condition that his identity remain anonymous.

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We found an Operation Plate insider. He was actually on the ground when the events happened

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and once the government arrived he helped them with the investigation.

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What could possibly be in these documents that would compel him to keep them all this time?

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This is everything?

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This is everything.

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How did you know what was going on?

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He has connections within the military.

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These documents are going to be a huge resource for us.

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We've got our hands on more than a thousand pages of documents related to Operation Plate,

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to that military investigation. We've got to dig into this right away.

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for any details that shed light on what the military concluded was causing the six-month span of UFO activity.

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Tell me if I'm reading this correctly. This looks like luminous body.

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Is this indicating travel?

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Like a direction of travel?

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The arrows? I don't know exactly what they mean.

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This is going to take all night, but we have got to go through every single one of these documents

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because somewhere in there buried in those pages could be the answer to what really happened in Calaris.

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This is a military report from November 5th, right?

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It was a military unit that observed it.

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Here's another one from November 6th, 77, done by the Air Force with connected photographs taken by the Air Force.

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I mean, now it's not just hearsay or witness testimony.

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We have official classified Brazilian military documentation of these lights, of these objects.

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That means the military didn't even know what they were dealing with.

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This, to me, looks like the Brazilian military thought that Brazil was under attack by some kind of unknown force.

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These are two different incidents, right?

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It says here they were floating over water, floated over the water, and then they were floating over the water.

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And then moved toward Calaris?

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Interesting.

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And another map, look at this, is coming in from the water, and this one comes from Calaris and goes back out to the water.

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We have another one from a fisherman, and he witnessed this light hovering about two meters on the water in Marjo Bay.

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It says it didn't make any disturbance whatsoever to the water to the point that he actually thought it was a submarine.

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I think that's the bay you're seeing on the map.

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The clearest pattern we're seeing is objects traveling over, near, or actually on Marjo Bay.

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It is some kind of center of activity.

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I mean, that's very clear here.

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By far, the most apparent pattern here is that these sightings, both from the civilian witnesses and from the military observations themselves,

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are occurring on, over, and near the water.

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It's almost like an X marks the spot over Marjo Bay.

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With the logical next step, we need to get up there.

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Now the question becomes, why is this happening over the water?

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This is where he started lights for the first time.

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Well, if this guy is still around, he might be able to shed light on us. We need to find him.

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All these patterns, they've led us here.

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This could be the lunchpin that brings us investigation together.

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So here's Marjo Bay. God, it's huge. I mean, it looks like we're on the open ocean.

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It sure does. It's a lot bigger than I expected.

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Investigative journalist Paul Bevan and military intelligence officer Nick Carnese are in the coastal town of Calaris, Brazil,

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investigating an incident that occurred in 1977, where more than 80 victims reported they were attacked by UFOs

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that flew at high speeds and shot beams of light into their bodies.

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They tracked down a fisherman from the operation plate documents, who leads them to the location where he witnessed one of the large flying objects in 1977.

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About how far is it?

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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

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This is where he saw the lights for the first time.

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They would come from that side, that direction, and then 15 minutes would go by, and they would come from that side.

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So they were like flying around.

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How many were there? Was it a single light moving or were there multiple lights?

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Three. Three.

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One kind of yellow, an orange one, and a red one.

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He thought they were actually searching for something, he can't tell why, but it's clear that they were gathering information.

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So, yeah, their movements weren't random. They seemed to be doing something in an organized way.

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Did the light ever shine down on you, on your boat?

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The orange light hit directly at him, and it was him and his brother, and everything turned orange.

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Everything he could see was orange, and his brother was really desperate. He wanted to throw himself in the water.

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He was terrified because there had been attacks before in town, so he knew what the lights could do to him.

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Did you see the objects land?

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He said to them, they saw it dive deep into the water.

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Went into the water.

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Into the water.

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Throughout the course of our investigation, we've been looking skyward, but now we've learned these UFOs, it's not just in the sky, they have a connection to the water.

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So now the question becomes, have we been looking in the wrong place?

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That's really strange.

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I mean, you know, you think of them being in the sky, but actually being submersible, essentially being able to transition into the water.

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The entire time the UFOs haven't been just over the land, they've been going in and out of the water.

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This is much bigger than we ever thought it was.

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Fishermen are describing craft coming out of the water and flying off, and vice versa.

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This is something that is completely foreign to their experience.

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It's foreign to mine.

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I mean, submarines are under the water, airplanes are in the sky, but I can't think of anything we have that does both of these things.

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I don't know of military assets that are doing this, and certainly can't think of something that could do that in the 70s.

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When we look at everything we've seen in this investigation so far, what is the one thing we're seeing again and again?

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The thing that sticks out is water.

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In Argentina, in Chile, now in Brazil, all of these incidents take place near, on, over, under bodies of water.

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Maybe all of these sightings are connected to water, not because these UFOs are interested in the water, but because they're capable of operating beneath it.

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We've been looking up, right, when we needed to be looking down.

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Makes sense, sure.

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The amount of water on this planet, it's the majority of our surface, and we have so little knowledge of what's going on under the waves.

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If you were looking to not be observed, that's where you want to be.

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We've only been looking in one direction up, but the pattern that's emerging, it's pretty compelling.

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And it may indicate we may be more likely to find something by looking down, not unidentified flying objects, but unidentified submerged objects, USOs.

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So let's do a search.

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Unidentified flying submersible, submerged. Let's see just what that pulls up.

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Worldwide.

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Okay, well, there's a lot of hits all over the globe here.

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Well, let's start with the sightings database there.

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That's the Nimitz Report.

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Why is the Nimitz Report popping up?

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Is it because it was an aircraft carrier?

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You searched on submersible, right?

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Tracking of the water disturbance.

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That's right.

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The initial disturbance that is seen is under the water.

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We saw a disturbance in the water by like a seamount where the waves are breaking over the top, so white water.

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You know, we looked at the Nimitz event, we saw it as a UFO event, a flying object.

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What if that really was a USO event?

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I mean, obviously there was flying phenomena happening, right?

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But that at its core, the real action was under the waves.

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What's this last one?

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An earlier UFO sighting on the USS Nimitz.

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A Navy photographer named Kevin Thomas was apparently on the fan tail when he witnessed a huge vessel surface pretty close to the carrier.

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It surfaced, it flew away and out of sight.

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I guess it was a USO and a UFO all in one.

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So there was another, not just UFO incident, but USO incident that took place on the same aircraft carrier a decade before?

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We need to find him.

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Let's do it.

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Dr. Livingston digs through the LAS to track any electronic signature on Kevin Thomas, while Mike taps into naval contacts for any information on the former sailor's whereabouts.

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This dude is a ghost.

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He doesn't have an email address, he doesn't have a telephone.

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It's like he's trying not to be found.

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I have checked every commercial and even a few non-commercial sources.

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I can't find them.

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The only thing we have is a last known address in Dallas, Texas.

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We need to get Nick and Sarah on the ground and see if they can find him.

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We need to talk to this guy.

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Coming up.

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Our military is very much concerned and we should be as well.

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The Navy has a program to track unidentified submerged objects.

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That's exactly what's going on.

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This is the Holy Grail of interviews.

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The fact that this is the second time on the Nimitz that we've had a witness to something unexplained is in a space of 13 years that could potentially be massive for the investigation.

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Astrophysicist and space journalist Sarah Crutus and US Marine intelligence officer Nick Carnese land in Dallas, Texas and head to the last known address of Kevin Thomas,

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a former US Navy combat photographer who claims to have witnessed a USO off the Nimitz aircraft carrier in 1991.

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We started this investigation with Kevin Day, who was a witness to the Tic Tac incident on board the Nimitz.

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The most significant video to come out of the A-Tip files and now here we are with another guy who worked on the Nimitz aircraft carrier.

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Who also seems to have witnessed something incredible and we need to find out exactly what this was.

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Listen.

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Yep, you ready?

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Yep.

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Let's hope this guy's in.

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Hi, we're looking for Kevin Thomas.

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You wouldn't have him, would you?

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No.

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I did by the house for him about three years ago.

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Oh really? Okay.

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Do you by chance know if any of the neighbors around here might have been around when he lived here?

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No, I don't know.

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Okay, we appreciate your time. Thank you.

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Okay, you're welcome.

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Thanks, sir. Appreciate it.

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You bet.

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Okay, now the work begins.

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All right.

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We need to knock on every door.

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I don't think anyone's in.

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Let's jump across the street.

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There must be someone around here who knew him.

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Hi.

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We're looking for a guy by the name of Kevin Thomas.

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He used to live across the street.

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Yeah, sure.

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I remember Kevin.

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Do you know where he moved to?

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I don't.

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If he mentioned something at one point, I think he bought a farm off 78 north of Bonham,

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but I don't have an address.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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All right, at least we have a starting point now, though.

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So here's Bonham.

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He said it was 78 north.

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He was about 58 miles from here.

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Let's go knock on some doors.

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We now have a solid lead.

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Hopefully we can track this guy down.

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He could have information about the points to contact.

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While Nick and Sarah continue their search,

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Mike Cole and Dr. Livingston look for reports of unidentified, submerged objects

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that exceed human technological capabilities.

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So we have an article.

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Can you pull that up?

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Okay, this is from July 2015.

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Significant claims have been made in recent years regarding unidentified,

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submersible objects detected by the US Navy.

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Navy contractor Mark Dantonio describes a sudden appearance of an incredibly

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high performing object on Sonar.

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It was traveling at several hundred knots.

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Both the Russians and us have fast moving torpedoes that they could track at 200 knots.

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Easy.

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Sure.

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But this says several hundred knots.

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The evidence is showing an undeniable pattern.

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Of USO activity.

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And look, I don't know if this is evidence of extraterrestrial contact.

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I don't know if this is evidence of some kind of military attack that we missed,

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but it's too compelling for us to ignore.

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We've got to figure out what this is.

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I can't believe this.

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He's in Southern California.

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He is.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's go check this one out ourselves.

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I have complete faith in the field teams, but Mark Dantonio is close.

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I want to talk to this guy personally.

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Through a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep,

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deep.

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Through a DIA contact, Mike Echlairs the cellphone number of Mark Dantonio.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay.

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Who confirms that he is currently locally contracted at the Port of Los Angeles and agrees to

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an impromptu meeting.

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Mark Dantonio appears to be pretty credible is a United States Navy contractor with access

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to sensitive programs.

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We are seeing indicator after indicator that there is unidentified submerged objects,

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unexplained activity under the water.

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He could be a key witness as to the nature of that activity.

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All right.

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So he sent us an address here, a Navy yard down here in Long Beach.

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This guy is an active Navy contractor, right?

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So his willingness to go on record is really compelling.

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That must be him.

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Mark, I appreciate you coming out.

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Yeah.

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I'm going across the report with pretty extraordinary testimony about a sighting you had.

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Can you tell us about the ship's mission that you're sighting occurred on?

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I can't say that, but I can say that I was at sea with the crew.

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I'm aboard a nuclear sub and then I'm off the side of the control room.

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Nice little sonar guy who's watching.

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You know, he's the eyes and ears of the boat.

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And all of a sudden I hear, Con Sonar, Con Sonar, fast mover, fast mover, kind of frantic.

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How fast are we talking?

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He said that it was moving several hundred knots.

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The closest weapon on the planet that can go 200 knots is the Russian Squall torpedo.

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But it's very, very loud.

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This was very, very quiet.

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How do you know it was quiet?

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If it was loud, then that waterfall sonar would have just been all blown out with a lot of bright green.

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And it wasn't.

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It was a very, very faint trace.

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So what you're saying is that this object that was being tracked on Sonar was moving faster than the other.

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Moving faster than the most advanced torpedoes that you are aware of.

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Yes.

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And was emitting less sound than the most advanced torpedoes that you are aware of.

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And this includes not just the United States Navy, but any Navy.

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As far as I know, absolutely.

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And I know that our Navy guys are very, very well trained.

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And a sonar operator is supposed to be able to classify anything he sees.

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This guy didn't know what he was classifying.

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How do you know he didn't know what he was classifying?

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Because when the executive officer came, he actually said to the XO,

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What do I do with this?

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And the XO nodded and he goes, log it and then bury it.

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Burry it.

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It was business as usual.

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Real?

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Business as usual.

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Like nothing had happened.

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Like nothing, and that was making me nuts.

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It made me realize the military, the Navy, is seeing things like this a lot.

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They have things like the SOSIS net.

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It's a very sensitive set of hydrophones all over the oceans.

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And here sounds thousands of miles away.

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And these hydrophones have been in place for a long, long time.

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The SOSIS network is an array of thousands of underwater microphones

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installed in secret by the US Navy to track Soviet submarines during the Cold War.

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By comparing the timing of incoming sound waves at various points along the network,

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SOSIS can compute the speed and direction of any fast-moving underwater object.

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The decades-old Sonar Surveillance Tech is now used by oceanic research organizations

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to study underwater sound, but its highly sensitive microphones

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have also picked up unexplained phenomena.

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If I was able to confirm there is indeed a program

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cataloging these fast mover things.

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You're saying that the Navy has a program, the equivalent of ATIM,

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to track unidentified submerged objects.

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That's exactly what's going on.

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Strange objects able to move at gigantic speeds.

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At what kind of speed did it move?

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Superphonic.

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You're saying that the Navy has a program, the equivalent of ATIM,

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to track unidentified submerged objects.

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That's exactly what's going on.

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We have, for many years, for decades in fact, been tracking USOs.

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But the Navy themselves don't know what they are.

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They're picking up some type of motion, some type of sound,

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underneath the ocean that doesn't belong.

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And I think maybe that these underwater objects that are in the ocean

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that doesn't belong.

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And I think maybe that these underwater objects that move so quickly

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underwater are the culprits.

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I would love to be able to get into the files of the secret USO program.

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But the fact that we're just now hearing about it suggests that it's highly classified.

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I don't know how we could possibly get to it.

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The next best thing is going to be SOSIS, this sonar surveillance network

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that Antonio mentioned.

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It's an underwater surveillance system that's in every corner of the world.

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That's where we need to look.

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It has to be hearing every USO that's active under the water all the time.

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All right, let me do a search for Navy SOSIS Unidentified, worldwide.

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Three documents.

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What's this one, the executive summary?

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1970, SOSIS meets its match.

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It looks here like the Soviet Union was developing submarines that could defeat SOSIS

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that were able to run silently.

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What makes sense?

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What a threat that would be to the United States of America, right?

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We're trying to get better at detecting the Soviets, later the Russians.

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The Russians are trying to get better at defeating us.

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This is a cat and mouse game.

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And it looks like it's still going on today.

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We keep hearing these reports related to these USOs of capabilities

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well beyond the limits of any human technology.

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But I read that executive summary and I think we may see advanced technology

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and misinterpret it as something as not of this world.

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Maybe this is advanced Russian technology.

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The fact that the Russians created technology that could potentially have evaded SOSIS

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makes Russian advanced military tech the last thing we have to eliminate

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before we can reach a conclusion that these USOs are possibly extraterrestrial.

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Mike and Dr. Livingston returned to the command center to track down any informants

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who might have knowledge of secret Russian underwater tech.

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Alright, we'll just keep working the phone lines.

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He worked Russian sub stuff, right?

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After combing through their networks, one of Mike's contacts within the DoD's Russian Navy sector

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is able to connect the team to a source known for deep ties to the Russian military

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who agrees to share his intel.

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Let's go.

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He's very interested in what this guy has to say.

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This witness is an expert on the Russian maritime power.

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So if anybody knows whether or not the Russians are capable of these underwater submerged objects,

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he's going to know.

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Mike and Doc link up with Paul Stonehill,

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a former Soviet citizen and journalist specializing in Russian military history.

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In order for us to determine that a USO is extraterrestrial,

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we first have to eliminate the possibility of Russian military involvement.

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Paul Stonehill is an expert on Russian military capabilities.

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He has a network of contacts on the current Russian Navy,

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and he may be able to give us information about the USO phenomenon.

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Where we're at in the investigation now is we have incontrovertible evidence

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that there is something going on underneath the water.

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And we know it's not our Navy.

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So is it possible that the USOs that we're seeing,

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that the US Navy is seeing are actually Russian naval programs being tested underneath the water?

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No, because they're also investigating the same phenomenon.

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The Russians have a secret program to study UFOs and USOs,

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interfering with secret missions.

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For over 30 years, the Russians wanted to know who are the objects that are chasing Soviet submarine.

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The Soviets thought that they were dealing with the Americans,

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where they were seeing inexplicable things underwater.

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And the Americans thought that they were dealing with the Soviets.

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And it took so much time to figure out that it wasn't either side.

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We're dealing with something that we cannot explain, and it continues well into today.

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What you're saying is that there is activity that neither the Russian or a United States Navy

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can credit or explain going on underneath the waves right now.

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Yes, strange objects lurking in the oceans,

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emitting strange sounds, able to move at gigantic speeds.

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Nobody has capabilities like that.

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For 30 years, the Russians thought that this USO phenomenon was the United States.

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And the United States thought it was the Russians.

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If we were both wrong, then what is it?

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Everybody's looking in the sky at UFOs.

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That's nice, but you should also be concerned about what's going on down below.

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Objects that cannot be explained.

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Our military is very much concerned, and we should be as well.

470
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
All of the evidence is pointing to the water.

471
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,000
And now we have a man with intimate contacts in both the former Soviet and the current Russian Navy

472
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,000
saying that there is no terrestrial explanation.

473
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
That's pretty concerning.

474
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000
What is the name of the aircraft carrier?

475
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Well, this is the road.

476
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
No one's home.

477
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000
After traveling to Bonham, Texas and canvassing houses in the area...

478
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Yeah, it lives right next door.

479
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Oh, really?

480
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Nick and Sarah receive a tip on the location of Kevin Thomas,

481
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:21,000
a former Navy combat photographer who witnessed a USO off the Nimitz aircraft carrier in 1991.

482
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Ready?

483
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Let's do it.

484
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Hi.

485
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Hey, sir. Sir, I'm Bobby. My name's Nick.

486
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000
And I'm Sarah. Nice to meet you.

487
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
I'm Karnazy.

488
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Okay, and why are you here?

489
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,000
I'm a Marine Corps veteran, and this is my partner, Sarah Crittis,

490
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
who's conducting an investigation,

491
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,000
and we're trying to track down a gentleman by the name of Kevin Thomas.

492
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
That's me.

493
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Oh, perfect.

494
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000
We really want to talk to you about what you experienced on the Nimitz back in 1991.

495
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
How'd you find me?

496
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,000
We've been conducting an independent investigation into unexplained sightings,

497
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
and we're good at what we do.

498
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000
We really want to talk to you because we think your account,

499
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
your story could be vital for this investigation.

500
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Honestly, I don't want to talk about it.

501
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000
We didn't come all this way to be turned away now.

502
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
We have to get them to talk.

503
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Everything we've investigated to this point has led us to you,

504
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
and we really want to talk to you because we think your account,

505
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
your story could be vital for this investigation.

506
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
You're a Marine.

507
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Yes, sir.

508
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
I'll give you a few minutes.

509
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Okay, come on in.

510
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Thank you.

511
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
I really appreciate it.

512
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000
This is huge.

513
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
He's never talked to anyone before.

514
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
What he might share with us,

515
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000
I mean, this could really be the lunchpin that brings this investigation together.

516
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Let's check out the next thing.

517
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Shag Harbor and SOSIS?

518
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
The Shag Harbor UFO was detected on SOSIS?

519
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
The incident was reported to be a large accident.

520
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Was it a SOSIS?

521
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
The incident at Shag Harbor on Canada's east coast

522
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
took place on the night of October 4, 1967,

523
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000
where multiple eyewitnesses reported seeing a large object crash into the water.

524
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Thinking that a plane crash had just occurred,

525
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
rescue efforts were deployed immediately to search for survivors.

526
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
However, no craft or debris was ever found

527
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000
despite multiple dive teams coming the ocean floor.

528
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Meanwhile, SOSIS detected a USO that traveled from the point of impact

529
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
to 20 miles north where it ultimately disappeared.

530
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000
No explanation has ever been reached as to what the object was.

531
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
The Shag Harbor incident is significant

532
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000
because you have multiple eyewitness accounts corroborated by instrumentation.

533
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,000
The question is, what the hell was it?

534
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Nick Carnese and Sarah Crutus are on the ground in Bonham, Texas

535
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000
to secure an interview with Kevin Thomas,

536
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,000
a former combat photographer who allegedly saw a USO

537
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
while aboard the USS Nimitz in 1991.

538
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Hi, we really want to talk to you about what you experienced on the Nimitz back in 1991.

539
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
I'll give you a few minutes.

540
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Okay, come on in.

541
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Thank you.

542
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,000
All these patterns that we've been gathering through this link analysis software

543
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
has led us back to the Nimitz but 13 years earlier.

544
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,000
All I know is I made it really hard to find me, so I'm impressed you're here.

545
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,000
We would really appreciate it if you could just tell us exactly what happened

546
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
on the Nimitz back in 1991.

547
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,000
I was a production petty officer in the photo lab,

548
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000
so I ran the photo lab downstairs for the enlisted personnel.

549
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,000
And I got into this habit of going to watch the sunset

550
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
after my ship was over to just kind of decompress.

551
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000
By now it's night, it's dark, so we went to dark and ship

552
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
and when a ship goes to dark and ship, everything gets turned off.

553
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,000
There can be no light anywhere on the ship.

554
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Dark and ship is a defensive maneuver where all lights go dark

555
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
and the entire crew locks down inside the ship

556
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000
in order to camouflage the ship from enemy attack.

557
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,000
The crew isn't told if in order to go dark and ship is a drill or an actual threat.

558
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
You have a certain amount of time to get inside the bulkhead

559
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
or you're trapped outside and you're not going in.

560
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
And when I went to open up the bulkhead, it was locked.

561
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,000
So I figured no big deal, I'll just write it out out here.

562
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000
So I found my way to the starboard side of the ship

563
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,000
and I looked around the corner and there was something about half way out of the water.

564
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000
It looked like a huge black triangle.

565
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
I would estimate it was bigger than the Nimitz at about 200 yards away.

566
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
And the Nimitz is what, a thousand foot long?

567
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
I think it's 1119 or a thousand nineteen, it was big.

568
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
And I just kind of was froze there.

569
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,000
I mean I have this image of it just looking like this clean dark thing sitting there

570
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
with no water dripping off it.

571
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
So did it make a sound?

572
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
No.

573
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Okay.

574
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
I got a real clear view, probably raised up 30, 40 feet and then it was gone.

575
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Did you tell anyone about what you saw?

576
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000
I didn't have to.

577
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,000
I was at my duty station the next day and there was a guy at the front office of the photo lab

578
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,000
and he came back to me and said, there's two guys here to see you.

579
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
And nobody ever says there's two guys here to see you on an aircraft carrier.

580
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
It's just very, very odd.

581
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
I had a feeling at that moment my heart kind of stopped it.

582
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Uh oh, I'm in trouble.

583
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
For being out during the dark out?

584
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Yeah, I think that maybe I saw something I wasn't supposed to see and I'm going to get in a lot of trouble.

585
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000
And were they in uniform?

586
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000
No, they were just in civilian clothes.

587
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
What did they ask you?

588
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Did they ask you?

589
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000
They asked me, why didn't I make it back to general quarters?

590
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Why wasn't on my duty station?

591
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Was I outside and they just kept asking over and over in different ways, what did I see?

592
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
How did you fail during that?

593
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,000
What was in my mind at the time the guys interviewed me was don't tell these people what you saw

594
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
or you're going to be kicked out of the military.

595
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000
I basically just told them I stood at the after the ship and I just waited until it was over then came inside.

596
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000
And I was really silent about it for years until the Tic Tac footage came out.

597
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,000
That is what really has got me thinking about this, probably the reason I let you in the door.

598
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:25,000
The Tic Tac video, released in 2017, depicts a 2004 encounter between a navy fighter jet flying off the USS Nimitz and a Tic Tac shaped object.

599
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:33,000
The footage was released through the eight tip program and verified as authentic by the US Navy in September 2019.

600
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,000
What similarities did you see between the Tic Tac and then yours?

601
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,000
But there are some places in the video where it moves and it's like that's the same movement.

602
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Yeah, see it kind of went slow at first and then it went boom and it was gone.

603
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
That's exactly what I saw.

604
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
It went slow at first and then boom it was gone.

605
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
At what kind of speed did it move?

606
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
It was super sonic.

607
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,000
So I would have to say Mach 15, Mach 20.

608
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Could a human survive that?

609
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,000
No, the G-forces would turn you into a pancake. You'd be like soup on the floor.

610
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Was this an advanced propulsion system?

611
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000
No.

612
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
In order to have propulsion, that's pushing something in a direction.

613
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
There was no propulsion. There was no displacement of the water.

614
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
When it took off, it just was there and then it moved.

615
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Do you think it's coincidental that this event occurred during Darkenship?

616
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
No, I think Darkenship was called so nobody saw it.

617
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Do you think somebody on that ship knew what was going on?

618
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Yes, absolutely.

619
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
I have no doubt that someone on the ship knew what was going on.

620
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,000
And I feel that the reason that I was talked to is to make sure I didn't know what was going on.

621
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:53,000
After hearing that, he really sounds like he wants to understand what he saw.

622
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
I can't think of something that would explain what he's describing.

623
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000
Is it a secret Navy program?

624
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Some kind of Navy tech that's being tested?

625
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Is it something else we're not thinking of?

626
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Or is it an actual extraterrestrial contact?

627
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
The bottom line is extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

628
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
It's becoming clear why declassified programs like ATIP exist

629
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,000
and why powerful people like Robert Bigelow are investigating this strange phenomenon occurring across the globe

630
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,000
because no person and no govern on the entire planet can explain what's going on.

631
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Do you think the government had something to hide?

632
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Yes, I did.

633
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
We've had multiple accounts from both military and civilians.

634
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000
It wasn't until I served with CIA that I started to understand how secrets really were.

635
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Testifying the phenomenon that just a few months ago I would have believed with science fiction.

636
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Foreigners came in 4x4s all dressed in black.

637
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000
But meeting with these people, looking them in the eye,

638
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
working with a team of highly trained investigators.

639
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000
We need to find out exactly what happened to it.

640
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,000
It made me think that some of these things I used to think were fiction may in fact be reality.

641
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Come check this out.

642
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Holy s***.

643
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
It's no coincidence that Robert Bigelow, the sole contractor to ATIP,

644
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000
filed the evidence to the exact same spot we did in Brazil.

645
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
What was Operation Plate?

646
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000
The question becomes, how much more evidence does the ATIP program have?

647
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,000
This is an unclassified secret document. They didn't expect the public to see this.

648
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Do they already know that contact is being made?

649
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Could this have been a UFO?

650
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000
How else can you explain this?

651
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000
And if this is extraterrestrial contact, why are they here?

652
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
What do they want? Should we be worried?

653
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,000
There were flying objects that released beams of light that would hit people.

654
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
You're saying people were attacked?

655
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
We got involved in this investigation to find the truth.

656
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000
We're going to have to continue to find the answers ourselves.

657
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
We can't turn back now.